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	<title>Comments on: Sun changes its ticker to RUBY</title>
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		<title>By: Rapha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rapha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess,

building web frameworks in Java has been done quite a number of times. None is as great as Rails (I know both sides), mainly on MVC, ORM, IOC, REST and templating parts. What makes you believe this time it&#039;s going to be really good, both powerfull, extensible and easy to pick up?

You can&#039;t simply port Rails to Java. Rails is way to much dynamic to be cloned in Java without re-inventing yet an other scripting language (what did Groovy). Bridging two existing communities seems way better. Being so dynamic in pure java implies you use IOC and AOP a lot which will introduce a lot of complexity and either a static dependencies nightmare, either an XML nightmare.

Look for instance at the Resource Injection part of Rails (environment.rb; include module foo), it&#039;s so simple compared to Sping all the way... ERB templating is so much greater than JSP or JSF templating. Having a dynamic language close to Javascript in templating integrate way better with   web2.0 sites... So I think JRuby on Rails is indeed the way to go rather than reinventing the wheel yet one more time with a promised collapse due to the language itself.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess,</p>
<p>building web frameworks in Java has been done quite a number of times. None is as great as Rails (I know both sides), mainly on MVC, ORM, IOC, REST and templating parts. What makes you believe this time it&#8217;s going to be really good, both powerfull, extensible and easy to pick up?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t simply port Rails to Java. Rails is way to much dynamic to be cloned in Java without re-inventing yet an other scripting language (what did Groovy). Bridging two existing communities seems way better. Being so dynamic in pure java implies you use IOC and AOP a lot which will introduce a lot of complexity and either a static dependencies nightmare, either an XML nightmare.</p>
<p>Look for instance at the Resource Injection part of Rails (environment.rb; include module foo), it&#8217;s so simple compared to Sping all the way&#8230; ERB templating is so much greater than JSP or JSF templating. Having a dynamic language close to Javascript in templating integrate way better with   web2.0 sites&#8230; So I think JRuby on Rails is indeed the way to go rather than reinventing the wheel yet one more time with a promised collapse due to the language itself.</p>
<p>Rapha</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Sightler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Sightler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe this is Sun&#039;s plan to destroy RoR.

If they could just get Craig Mclananananananahan (sorry, couldn&#039;t resist the hani reference) onto the team, ruby on rails could be ruined.

More seriously, I don&#039;t understand the current fascination with RoR at Sun.  If it is so great, just build a good Java web framework to get the best ideas.
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<p>If they could just get Craig Mclananananananahan (sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist the hani reference) onto the team, ruby on rails could be ruined.</p>
<p>More seriously, I don&#8217;t understand the current fascination with RoR at Sun.  If it is so great, just build a good Java web framework to get the best ideas.</p>
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