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		<title>By: whocares</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/public-schools-vs-charter-schools-facts-not-myths/comment-page-2#comment-49015</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO RICHARD: my charter school doesn&#039;t &quot;select&quot; anyone dumb-ass and it gives equal education to all everyone gets it they are trying to help everyone not just &quot;smart&quot; kids and it helps over crowded school so be quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO RICHARD: my charter school doesn&#8217;t &#8220;select&#8221; anyone dumb-ass and it gives equal education to all everyone gets it they are trying to help everyone not just &#8220;smart&#8221; kids and it helps over crowded school so be quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 06:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have attended both Public and Charter school &amp; to frankly honest I hate Public schools the teachers going on strike is stupid. They wouldn&#039;t be able to live one day in a Charter school teacher shoes, they can&#039;t handle that type of work.That&#039;s why they want a raise now that they have longer days cant handle that shit,their fucking stupid. Charter Schools are so much better. Teachers have higher quality education and have graduated with honors from top colleges not like public schools.Not only that teachers are a lot more knowledgeable and have better teaching skill,they teach to standards. I haven also seen they work a lot harder and give actual attention to students one on one.Point is that charter schools are a lot more helpful not only for kids but for the communities that have over crowded public schools. I would never send my kids to a public school to get picked on by their own disrespectful teachers (like the school Columbia Explorers located in Chicago on kedzie) Teachers at Charter Schools such as UNO I have never meet more respectful and caring schools who show intrest in the kids education and the involvement of the parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have attended both Public and Charter school &amp; to frankly honest I hate Public schools the teachers going on strike is stupid. They wouldn&#8217;t be able to live one day in a Charter school teacher shoes, they can&#8217;t handle that type of work.That&#8217;s why they want a raise now that they have longer days cant handle that shit,their fucking stupid. Charter Schools are so much better. Teachers have higher quality education and have graduated with honors from top colleges not like public schools.Not only that teachers are a lot more knowledgeable and have better teaching skill,they teach to standards. I haven also seen they work a lot harder and give actual attention to students one on one.Point is that charter schools are a lot more helpful not only for kids but for the communities that have over crowded public schools. I would never send my kids to a public school to get picked on by their own disrespectful teachers (like the school Columbia Explorers located in Chicago on kedzie) Teachers at Charter Schools such as UNO I have never meet more respectful and caring schools who show intrest in the kids education and the involvement of the parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve attended a charter Montessori school, a private catholic school, a public school &amp; an online charter highschool. My public school was the only A+ school in its district and by far the wealthiest. It was debatably one of the best high schools in the state. It was the worst school I have ever been to. It inefficiently blew through funding, denied education &amp; advancement opportunities, and outright abolished a student&#039;s personal liberties. In fact, the only teacher I had who made a difference broke almost every school faculty rule. He never made us turn in homework (he aced us all in the mandatory homework portion of our report card because he believed that if we knew the stuff, we didn&#039;t need to add even more busy work to our inane work load - and if we didn&#039;t know it, if we didn&#039;t do the homework, it&#039;d show in our test scores), he allowed us to use cell phones in class, to bring in snacks or drinks, to sit where we wanted (the school had required assigned seating - cant tell you what educational purpose that served), he only used 1 of the 4 weeks he was required to spend on standardized testing(because we knew it all), and if we were tardy, he just marked us as present and we got to take what we could get for the remaining portion of class (it was school policy that even if you were 30 seconds late, you were denied access to your classroom and were refused the right to be present for the lesson. Instead of receiving your education &amp; a tardy, you were forced to sit silent in a detention room for the entire school period). He taught the AP Calclus Dual Enrollment classes. Hard classes. Yet, even with his challenging quizzes, not one kid dropped below a C average. Why? Because he didn&#039;t teach like a public school teacher is supposed to.

I will say this: I do not think it is at the sole fault of the teachers. I think a lot of them really strive to do right by kids. But when you&#039;re required to teach restrictive,  preapproved lessons, waste precious time preparing for inane state testing, be declined freedom to alternate teaching methods, and have to cater to 30+ students with different learning styles and interests - you are set up to fail. I also don&#039;t think teachers are blameless Because public schools have some REALLY bad teachers. Worse than charter school teachers. Because public school teachers have the teachers union- and charter schools usually refuse to hire union teachers (and many teachers leave the unions just so they can teach at charters). The teachers unions protect bad teachers from being fired. Plain and simple. Only about 1% of teachers will be fired and it usually costs around $150,000 in litigation fees to fire a union teacher. So most schools don&#039;t bother. They just keep bad teachers around. It is easy to see why union teachers don&#039;t like charters (watch &#039;The Lottery&#039; or &#039;Waiting for Superman&#039; for more info). Protecting bad teachers simply based on tenure does a huge disservice to schools - and public school teachers and their unions let this happen.

Another big thing people have to realize: I keep hearing teachers complain that 1) charter schools are heartless corporations who don&#039;t help kids but are also 2) stealing all the funding from public schools!!! To answer 1) charter schools are usually opened by school districts or non profit organizations. Sometimes, yes, Corporations can manage charter schools. HOWEVER, charter schools are ALWAYS nonprofit organizations &amp; corporate charter schools are ran exactly like CORPORATE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 2) Charter schools don&#039;t steal money from public schools. What happens is that funding is based on enrollment and when a child leaves a public school, their funding goes to the school they enroll in. That&#039;s not stealing from public schools - that&#039;s giving the money to who it belongs. The student. It should also be noted that public schools spend on average $2000 more per student than charters (some articles will you tell you otherwise but that is because they&#039;re not taking into account building costs that are absorbed by private funding in charters - public schools outspend charters on &#039;educational resources&#039; by a huge margin). And, you know what happens to a public school that has HORRIBLE testing results? Taxpayers have to toss more money at them. Which doesn&#039;t help. (I.E. New York spends $18,000 a year on public education PER student and 38% of their students are not meeting testing requirements. Utah spends $6,000 a year per student and 20% of their students aren&#039;t meeting standards. Utah spends 1/3rd as much money and gets twice the results). So when public schools fail, we reward them with money. When a charter school doesn&#039;t meet requirements? They shut down. No monetary reward for not doing their job - they lose funding. So far all who say charters are oh so awful - if they we&#039;re really as horrible as you say, they&#039;d be shut down. Can&#039;t say the same about awful public schools.

Another myth brought up was that charters don&#039;t have special Ed kids or poor kids(my public highschool, by the way, had a closed enrollment so that only kids in close proximity could attend - denying the option of the school for kids in surrounding lower-income areas). Charters are not allowed to deny entrance to any child - they usually work by first come, first serve or with a lottery. They accept and work with children with an IEP and special needs. Their &quot;special needs&quot; classes do have a lower percentage of students but only at the end of the year. If you look at the percentage at the beginning of enrollment - it mirrors public schools. What happens is that charters can provide a lot more individual attention and they are able to test students out of special needs classes because they catch them up to grade level. Public schools fail to do this.

Another myth I saw in the comments is that charter schools are not upheld to state standards. This is laughable. They are authorized by the school district or the state education department - and must submit to the same standardized testing. They are also held accountable to parents.

Right now, my 6 year old attends a charter school called Georgia Cyber Academy. It is a corporate ran charter through K12 that works under the overhead of the Georgia Education Department. It is a free Online school that essentially allows parents to homeschool their children while receiving curriculum, teacher guidance, and personalized lesson plans at no cost. It is individually catered to the child. While my &quot;kindergartner&quot; is in history, science and health at a Kindergartner level, she is at a 1st grade level for math and a 2nd grade level for language and phonics. She has a teacher who evaluates her quarterly and whom preformed her required state evaluation. We log required attendance, but also are allowed the flexibility of doing school on week days or taking days off without being penalized or put &quot;behind.&quot; She learns thing in the manner that best helps her learn and she Does not get in trouble for dress code or lapses of Judgment or for Needing to take a break to Regroup. I&#039;d like to see a public school that does that.

However, what most people dont know, is that the biggest benefit to charter schools is liberty. Charter schools tend to allow a lot more freedom of thought and most even insist that the children and parents make their complaints vocal because their charter depends on the happiness of their kids and parents. You also see a lot less &#039;required&#039; forms of writing (MLAA or &#039;when I ask what you think, I&#039;m really grading you on your ability to tell me what I want to hear&#039; papers) and you see far fewer limitations on &#039;allowed&#039; topics because the charters usually don&#039;t push kids away from freedom of expression. They usually offer a lot more alternative classes to cater to kids&#039; interests or to help them reach future occupational goals. They also usually have open campuses and less arbitary rules (like no cell phones or no soda machines or no PDA or no headphones). Public schools are government schools and oh boy do they push the method of unquestioned obedience. Kids at public schools are not allowed freedom of expression, protection against search and seizure, the ability to gather &amp; protest, etc. They have to obey the sometimes unfair, unjust and unconstitutional demands of educators and directors. There is an obvious de facto ban on students requesting a say in the education they&#039;re receiving. And God forbid the kid is &quot;weird.&quot; They cant read &#039;controversial books&#039; or wear activist apparel or dye their hair &#039;funny&#039; colors. One public school in New York just banned the word freedom to prevent the kids from coming together to protest the establishment. I&#039;m sorry, but as one man said, &quot;a &#039;free education&#039; that enslaves the mind is a high price to pay.&quot;

Not all charters do this and not all of them  are super amazing, and some are basically public schools with uniforms, but a huge chunk of them are way better than theyre made out to be. I can&#039;t believe that the naive and passionate devotion people have to public schools is so clouded by misinformation that they will defend their failing system at the expense of the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve attended a charter Montessori school, a private catholic school, a public school &amp; an online charter highschool. My public school was the only A+ school in its district and by far the wealthiest. It was debatably one of the best high schools in the state. It was the worst school I have ever been to. It inefficiently blew through funding, denied education &amp; advancement opportunities, and outright abolished a student&#8217;s personal liberties. In fact, the only teacher I had who made a difference broke almost every school faculty rule. He never made us turn in homework (he aced us all in the mandatory homework portion of our report card because he believed that if we knew the stuff, we didn&#8217;t need to add even more busy work to our inane work load &#8211; and if we didn&#8217;t know it, if we didn&#8217;t do the homework, it&#8217;d show in our test scores), he allowed us to use cell phones in class, to bring in snacks or drinks, to sit where we wanted (the school had required assigned seating &#8211; cant tell you what educational purpose that served), he only used 1 of the 4 weeks he was required to spend on standardized testing(because we knew it all), and if we were tardy, he just marked us as present and we got to take what we could get for the remaining portion of class (it was school policy that even if you were 30 seconds late, you were denied access to your classroom and were refused the right to be present for the lesson. Instead of receiving your education &amp; a tardy, you were forced to sit silent in a detention room for the entire school period). He taught the AP Calclus Dual Enrollment classes. Hard classes. Yet, even with his challenging quizzes, not one kid dropped below a C average. Why? Because he didn&#8217;t teach like a public school teacher is supposed to.</p>
<p>I will say this: I do not think it is at the sole fault of the teachers. I think a lot of them really strive to do right by kids. But when you&#8217;re required to teach restrictive,  preapproved lessons, waste precious time preparing for inane state testing, be declined freedom to alternate teaching methods, and have to cater to 30+ students with different learning styles and interests &#8211; you are set up to fail. I also don&#8217;t think teachers are blameless Because public schools have some REALLY bad teachers. Worse than charter school teachers. Because public school teachers have the teachers union- and charter schools usually refuse to hire union teachers (and many teachers leave the unions just so they can teach at charters). The teachers unions protect bad teachers from being fired. Plain and simple. Only about 1% of teachers will be fired and it usually costs around $150,000 in litigation fees to fire a union teacher. So most schools don&#8217;t bother. They just keep bad teachers around. It is easy to see why union teachers don&#8217;t like charters (watch &#8216;The Lottery&#8217; or &#8216;Waiting for Superman&#8217; for more info). Protecting bad teachers simply based on tenure does a huge disservice to schools &#8211; and public school teachers and their unions let this happen.</p>
<p>Another big thing people have to realize: I keep hearing teachers complain that 1) charter schools are heartless corporations who don&#8217;t help kids but are also 2) stealing all the funding from public schools!!! To answer 1) charter schools are usually opened by school districts or non profit organizations. Sometimes, yes, Corporations can manage charter schools. HOWEVER, charter schools are ALWAYS nonprofit organizations &amp; corporate charter schools are ran exactly like CORPORATE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 2) Charter schools don&#8217;t steal money from public schools. What happens is that funding is based on enrollment and when a child leaves a public school, their funding goes to the school they enroll in. That&#8217;s not stealing from public schools &#8211; that&#8217;s giving the money to who it belongs. The student. It should also be noted that public schools spend on average $2000 more per student than charters (some articles will you tell you otherwise but that is because they&#8217;re not taking into account building costs that are absorbed by private funding in charters &#8211; public schools outspend charters on &#8216;educational resources&#8217; by a huge margin). And, you know what happens to a public school that has HORRIBLE testing results? Taxpayers have to toss more money at them. Which doesn&#8217;t help. (I.E. New York spends $18,000 a year on public education PER student and 38% of their students are not meeting testing requirements. Utah spends $6,000 a year per student and 20% of their students aren&#8217;t meeting standards. Utah spends 1/3rd as much money and gets twice the results). So when public schools fail, we reward them with money. When a charter school doesn&#8217;t meet requirements? They shut down. No monetary reward for not doing their job &#8211; they lose funding. So far all who say charters are oh so awful &#8211; if they we&#8217;re really as horrible as you say, they&#8217;d be shut down. Can&#8217;t say the same about awful public schools.</p>
<p>Another myth brought up was that charters don&#8217;t have special Ed kids or poor kids(my public highschool, by the way, had a closed enrollment so that only kids in close proximity could attend &#8211; denying the option of the school for kids in surrounding lower-income areas). Charters are not allowed to deny entrance to any child &#8211; they usually work by first come, first serve or with a lottery. They accept and work with children with an IEP and special needs. Their &#8220;special needs&#8221; classes do have a lower percentage of students but only at the end of the year. If you look at the percentage at the beginning of enrollment &#8211; it mirrors public schools. What happens is that charters can provide a lot more individual attention and they are able to test students out of special needs classes because they catch them up to grade level. Public schools fail to do this.</p>
<p>Another myth I saw in the comments is that charter schools are not upheld to state standards. This is laughable. They are authorized by the school district or the state education department &#8211; and must submit to the same standardized testing. They are also held accountable to parents.</p>
<p>Right now, my 6 year old attends a charter school called Georgia Cyber Academy. It is a corporate ran charter through K12 that works under the overhead of the Georgia Education Department. It is a free Online school that essentially allows parents to homeschool their children while receiving curriculum, teacher guidance, and personalized lesson plans at no cost. It is individually catered to the child. While my &#8220;kindergartner&#8221; is in history, science and health at a Kindergartner level, she is at a 1st grade level for math and a 2nd grade level for language and phonics. She has a teacher who evaluates her quarterly and whom preformed her required state evaluation. We log required attendance, but also are allowed the flexibility of doing school on week days or taking days off without being penalized or put &#8220;behind.&#8221; She learns thing in the manner that best helps her learn and she Does not get in trouble for dress code or lapses of Judgment or for Needing to take a break to Regroup. I&#8217;d like to see a public school that does that.</p>
<p>However, what most people dont know, is that the biggest benefit to charter schools is liberty. Charter schools tend to allow a lot more freedom of thought and most even insist that the children and parents make their complaints vocal because their charter depends on the happiness of their kids and parents. You also see a lot less &#8216;required&#8217; forms of writing (MLAA or &#8216;when I ask what you think, I&#8217;m really grading you on your ability to tell me what I want to hear&#8217; papers) and you see far fewer limitations on &#8216;allowed&#8217; topics because the charters usually don&#8217;t push kids away from freedom of expression. They usually offer a lot more alternative classes to cater to kids&#8217; interests or to help them reach future occupational goals. They also usually have open campuses and less arbitary rules (like no cell phones or no soda machines or no PDA or no headphones). Public schools are government schools and oh boy do they push the method of unquestioned obedience. Kids at public schools are not allowed freedom of expression, protection against search and seizure, the ability to gather &amp; protest, etc. They have to obey the sometimes unfair, unjust and unconstitutional demands of educators and directors. There is an obvious de facto ban on students requesting a say in the education they&#8217;re receiving. And God forbid the kid is &#8220;weird.&#8221; They cant read &#8216;controversial books&#8217; or wear activist apparel or dye their hair &#8216;funny&#8217; colors. One public school in New York just banned the word freedom to prevent the kids from coming together to protest the establishment. I&#8217;m sorry, but as one man said, &#8220;a &#8216;free education&#8217; that enslaves the mind is a high price to pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not all charters do this and not all of them  are super amazing, and some are basically public schools with uniforms, but a huge chunk of them are way better than theyre made out to be. I can&#8217;t believe that the naive and passionate devotion people have to public schools is so clouded by misinformation that they will defend their failing system at the expense of the children.</p>
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		<title>By: colorado</title>
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		<dc:creator>colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use to go to a charter school and I hated it. I was crying every day. The teachers always picked their favorites, the uniforms were ugly and they were molding us to be perfect gray squares, they told you when to sit and shake. They always held your hand gave you step by step instructions. But let me ask you this who is going to be there to guide you in the real world? Over all I had a terrible experience at my charter school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use to go to a charter school and I hated it. I was crying every day. The teachers always picked their favorites, the uniforms were ugly and they were molding us to be perfect gray squares, they told you when to sit and shake. They always held your hand gave you step by step instructions. But let me ask you this who is going to be there to guide you in the real world? Over all I had a terrible experience at my charter school.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I sit here and read the above post I want to cry. Listening to most of you and what you think of public schools breaks my heart.  All I hear is how horrible they are and how we do not care about those children who are slow to learn or need a bit of extra help.  I work in a public school as a Para professional/Aid to children with autism.  I also help other kids in the reg. ed. class room that are not up to speed academically.  All the teacher I work with try so hard to help every child that comes through their doors.  And I have noticed that it is not the teachers fault or the &quot;governments&quot; fault for the lack of education our children are receiving.  It is the Parents fault for not being involved with their children&#039;s home work, their school programs or being willing to help out in the class room.  On average when we send out 24 cry&#039;s for help to our parents we only get one or two responses. And it is always the same parents coming to help.  The children who have poor behavior in our reg ed class&#039;s will very rarely have a parent who is involved. O but how we hear about the horrible job we are doing as teachers when their kids end up in trouble.  I would like to know how any of you who bad mouth our public school system help out and try to make it better.  If you do not help to change it by lending a hand please shut your mouth and move on to something else.  Every child deserve the right to a good education but if you as a parent cant step up to the plate and help out it is no ones fault but your own if you child suffers.  I would love to see each and every one of you to try to teach a class room of 24 or more children with at least half of them from broken families and some of them who are being abused in many different ways.  I can go on all night but why.. you will not listen anyway....  O ya and part of my pay check is spent every week on buying food for kids who&#039;s parents are to lazy to pack a lunch for them or to proud to apply for reduced or free lunch for their kids..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sit here and read the above post I want to cry. Listening to most of you and what you think of public schools breaks my heart.  All I hear is how horrible they are and how we do not care about those children who are slow to learn or need a bit of extra help.  I work in a public school as a Para professional/Aid to children with autism.  I also help other kids in the reg. ed. class room that are not up to speed academically.  All the teacher I work with try so hard to help every child that comes through their doors.  And I have noticed that it is not the teachers fault or the &#8220;governments&#8221; fault for the lack of education our children are receiving.  It is the Parents fault for not being involved with their children&#8217;s home work, their school programs or being willing to help out in the class room.  On average when we send out 24 cry&#8217;s for help to our parents we only get one or two responses. And it is always the same parents coming to help.  The children who have poor behavior in our reg ed class&#8217;s will very rarely have a parent who is involved. O but how we hear about the horrible job we are doing as teachers when their kids end up in trouble.  I would like to know how any of you who bad mouth our public school system help out and try to make it better.  If you do not help to change it by lending a hand please shut your mouth and move on to something else.  Every child deserve the right to a good education but if you as a parent cant step up to the plate and help out it is no ones fault but your own if you child suffers.  I would love to see each and every one of you to try to teach a class room of 24 or more children with at least half of them from broken families and some of them who are being abused in many different ways.  I can go on all night but why.. you will not listen anyway&#8230;.  O ya and part of my pay check is spent every week on buying food for kids who&#8217;s parents are to lazy to pack a lunch for them or to proud to apply for reduced or free lunch for their kids..</p>
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		<title>By: Charter?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charter?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 04:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty simple to say that charter schools are better than public schools if they are &quot;gifted and talented&quot;.  Heck, if I took all the best students from neighboring districts and put them together in one school I would be scoring off the charts as a school.  DUH!!!!  The problem here is that public schools do the same or better than most charter schools.  If you compare a charter school that has a variety of levels of students then public educations beats them hands down.  So, do we really have to spend millions or billions of dollars on creating charter schools?  I don&#039;t think so.  What we need is to re-evaluate what our goals are and how we educate the students in our classrooms.  Anyone can teach gifted and talented students.  The trick is to teaching less advantaged children and showing the importance of education to them.  Do charter schools do better than public schools?  Who knows...charter schools can throw out students to cause trouble or underperform.  Where do those students end up?  Back in public schools....how about this.  We make a rule...if a charter school accepts a student then they MUST keep them in their system until they go to college.  How do you think they will do?
One more thing...require all charter/parochial/public schools to follow the same rules required by the state.  As of now public schools have a slew of rules to follow but not charter or parochial schools.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple to say that charter schools are better than public schools if they are &#8220;gifted and talented&#8221;.  Heck, if I took all the best students from neighboring districts and put them together in one school I would be scoring off the charts as a school.  DUH!!!!  The problem here is that public schools do the same or better than most charter schools.  If you compare a charter school that has a variety of levels of students then public educations beats them hands down.  So, do we really have to spend millions or billions of dollars on creating charter schools?  I don&#8217;t think so.  What we need is to re-evaluate what our goals are and how we educate the students in our classrooms.  Anyone can teach gifted and talented students.  The trick is to teaching less advantaged children and showing the importance of education to them.  Do charter schools do better than public schools?  Who knows&#8230;charter schools can throw out students to cause trouble or underperform.  Where do those students end up?  Back in public schools&#8230;.how about this.  We make a rule&#8230;if a charter school accepts a student then they MUST keep them in their system until they go to college.  How do you think they will do?<br />
One more thing&#8230;require all charter/parochial/public schools to follow the same rules required by the state.  As of now public schools have a slew of rules to follow but not charter or parochial schools&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D. Skeels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D. Skeels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an error in this post, it states &quot;since charter schools are public themselves.&quot; This simply isn&#039;t true.

Charters are privately managed entities whose only claim to the word public is the fact that they drain public funds. Dozens of court cases have ruled that charter schools are not &quot;public entities.&quot; Two well known examples include the following:

The 9th Circuit US Court of Appeals (2010-01-04) which ruled that charter-voucher schools are NOT &quot;public actors.&quot;
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/01/04/08-15245.pdf

The California Court of Appeals (2007-01-10) which ruled that charter-voucher schools are NOT &quot;public agents.&quot;
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1435567.html

Moreover, the US Census Department expressed difficulty in obtaining information from charter-voucher schools because the aren&#039;t public entities.
http://shankerblog.org/?p=2756

I know in the light of all the scandals and bad press (http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/) that supporters of lucrative charters are desperate to paint them as public schools, but outside the corporate spin cycle that is the the school privatization camp, charters have been found to be anything but public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an error in this post, it states &#8220;since charter schools are public themselves.&#8221; This simply isn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Charters are privately managed entities whose only claim to the word public is the fact that they drain public funds. Dozens of court cases have ruled that charter schools are not &#8220;public entities.&#8221; Two well known examples include the following:</p>
<p>The 9th Circuit US Court of Appeals (2010-01-04) which ruled that charter-voucher schools are NOT &#8220;public actors.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/01/04/08-15245.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/01/04/08-15245.pdf</a></p>
<p>The California Court of Appeals (2007-01-10) which ruled that charter-voucher schools are NOT &#8220;public agents.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1435567.html" rel="nofollow">http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1435567.html</a></p>
<p>Moreover, the US Census Department expressed difficulty in obtaining information from charter-voucher schools because the aren&#8217;t public entities.<br />
<a href="http://shankerblog.org/?p=2756" rel="nofollow">http://shankerblog.org/?p=2756</a></p>
<p>I know in the light of all the scandals and bad press (<a href="http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/</a>) that supporters of lucrative charters are desperate to paint them as public schools, but outside the corporate spin cycle that is the the school privatization camp, charters have been found to be anything but public.</p>
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		<title>By: Tabitha</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/public-schools-vs-charter-schools-facts-not-myths/comment-page-1#comment-48337</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enrolled my daughter into PreK at a Charter School in Texas. I went to public school in Oregon, where they didn&#039;t have any sort of laws about attendance, and really, it was on me whether I wanted to graduate or not. The first two years, I had D&#039;s and F&#039;s. My counselor was the only person trying to &quot;help me&quot; but basically she told me that if I didn&#039;t attend class and put forth effort, I wouldn&#039;t graduate. That was enough to scare me straight, but that isn&#039;t always enough for many other children. My husband went to a private school in California. Back to my daughter.... I was going to put her in the public elementary down the street, but their pre-k program is only three hours a day. From 11:30 to 2:30. How inconvenient is that? A neighbor told me about the Charter School her children go to so I did my research as any parent should before making big decisions for their children. Firstly, to answer people&#039;s questions regarding funding, charter schools receive federal funding. When I applied for my daughter, the administration had me fill out an application for free/reduced lunch before they could take my full app, so I&#039;m assuming that is the qualifier for THIS school. I&#039;m sure other schools have different qualifiers, but of course they are not allowed to discrimate based on race, sex, gender, religion, etc. What I love about the school is the wear uniforms (a strict uniform policy), they split up the age brackets from PreK to 3rd, 4th to 6th, 7th and 8th and 9 to 12th in different schools, they require from 1st grade on that the students get an 80 % on all assignments, if they don&#039;t they have to attend mandatory Saturday and/or Summer school, parent involvement is required (parent&#039;s must participate in at least two school functions like PTA meetings, field trips, etc) and when I checked the NCLB (No Child Left Behind) report card (which is public information btw), they scored higher in all subjects than the elementary my daughter would have went to by at least 5 - 10 %. Texas has the mandatory attendance laws (10 missed days and the parent is taken to court) and we also have a standardized state testing that all charter schools must have their students take along with the public schools. 

So to me, the charter school looks to be a very good alternative to public school but everyone&#039;s opinion and experience is different. Also, there is no reason why anyone cannot try either if they think they might get a better result elsewhere. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enrolled my daughter into PreK at a Charter School in Texas. I went to public school in Oregon, where they didn&#8217;t have any sort of laws about attendance, and really, it was on me whether I wanted to graduate or not. The first two years, I had D&#8217;s and F&#8217;s. My counselor was the only person trying to &#8220;help me&#8221; but basically she told me that if I didn&#8217;t attend class and put forth effort, I wouldn&#8217;t graduate. That was enough to scare me straight, but that isn&#8217;t always enough for many other children. My husband went to a private school in California. Back to my daughter&#8230;. I was going to put her in the public elementary down the street, but their pre-k program is only three hours a day. From 11:30 to 2:30. How inconvenient is that? A neighbor told me about the Charter School her children go to so I did my research as any parent should before making big decisions for their children. Firstly, to answer people&#8217;s questions regarding funding, charter schools receive federal funding. When I applied for my daughter, the administration had me fill out an application for free/reduced lunch before they could take my full app, so I&#8217;m assuming that is the qualifier for THIS school. I&#8217;m sure other schools have different qualifiers, but of course they are not allowed to discrimate based on race, sex, gender, religion, etc. What I love about the school is the wear uniforms (a strict uniform policy), they split up the age brackets from PreK to 3rd, 4th to 6th, 7th and 8th and 9 to 12th in different schools, they require from 1st grade on that the students get an 80 % on all assignments, if they don&#8217;t they have to attend mandatory Saturday and/or Summer school, parent involvement is required (parent&#8217;s must participate in at least two school functions like PTA meetings, field trips, etc) and when I checked the NCLB (No Child Left Behind) report card (which is public information btw), they scored higher in all subjects than the elementary my daughter would have went to by at least 5 &#8211; 10 %. Texas has the mandatory attendance laws (10 missed days and the parent is taken to court) and we also have a standardized state testing that all charter schools must have their students take along with the public schools. </p>
<p>So to me, the charter school looks to be a very good alternative to public school but everyone&#8217;s opinion and experience is different. Also, there is no reason why anyone cannot try either if they think they might get a better result elsewhere. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach in a public school and I am still waiting to be amazed by Charters. Obviously Charter schools will seem more productive because they have less students (who they select), more parental involvement, and public funds to do whatever they like. Public schools do not have these luxuries. I have taught AP and regular students for years, and I know that both students and I work laboriously in my classroom. However, the outside situations become problematic in the public school (overcrowding, troubled home, etc). In Charters, they have less or none of these problems, so of course students will fair better. The proof of a good student, teacher, administration, parent is to make a public school more efficient. Prove yourself by helping the schools where you live, instead of lambasting them with tirades. If all school directs had an influx of Charters, wouldn&#039;t that perpetuate the problems we&#039;re having now with public school? Think ABOUT IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach in a public school and I am still waiting to be amazed by Charters. Obviously Charter schools will seem more productive because they have less students (who they select), more parental involvement, and public funds to do whatever they like. Public schools do not have these luxuries. I have taught AP and regular students for years, and I know that both students and I work laboriously in my classroom. However, the outside situations become problematic in the public school (overcrowding, troubled home, etc). In Charters, they have less or none of these problems, so of course students will fair better. The proof of a good student, teacher, administration, parent is to make a public school more efficient. Prove yourself by helping the schools where you live, instead of lambasting them with tirades. If all school directs had an influx of Charters, wouldn&#8217;t that perpetuate the problems we&#8217;re having now with public school? Think ABOUT IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/public-schools-vs-charter-schools-facts-not-myths/comment-page-1#comment-48141</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtually none of these claims are substantive. Sharing your unique -- albeit anecdotal narratives -- does not clarify the issue any further. If it were up to me, I would compare academic, standardized achievement scores between inner-city public schools and their charter counterparts. After all, charters aren&#039;t necessary where public schools are performing adequately. 

For reference, I&#039;m currently a senior at a USNWR Top-50 public school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtually none of these claims are substantive. Sharing your unique &#8212; albeit anecdotal narratives &#8212; does not clarify the issue any further. If it were up to me, I would compare academic, standardized achievement scores between inner-city public schools and their charter counterparts. After all, charters aren&#8217;t necessary where public schools are performing adequately. </p>
<p>For reference, I&#8217;m currently a senior at a USNWR Top-50 public school.</p>
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