Comments on: Browsers are finally catching up; It isn’t the Future of Web Pages is it http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it blogging about life, the universe, and everything tech Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:06:53 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joeri http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40422 Joeri Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:37:16 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40422 The problem with IE6 up until now was that everything you could do in the newer browsers, you could also do in IE6, albeit slower and with more effort. The newer functionality (worker threads, fast canvas, order-of-magnitude faster javascript, html5 storage, ...) is just not possible on IE6/7. Pushing application functionality based on these newer features is going to make a legitimate case for businesses to standardize on a better browser. The problem with IE6 up until now was that everything you could do in the newer browsers, you could also do in IE6, albeit slower and with more effort. The newer functionality (worker threads, fast canvas, order-of-magnitude faster javascript, html5 storage, …) is just not possible on IE6/7. Pushing application functionality based on these newer features is going to make a legitimate case for businesses to standardize on a better browser.

]]> By: Mike J http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40421 Mike J Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:41 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40421 While I agree with moving adoption of newer browsers forward (get people off IE6) I find that unfortunately some people tend to mix the "public vs. private" adoption and use. Meaning that while the majority of "public" users may be on the latest and greatest, developers building applications still deal with the "private" users and have to accomodate them. We shouldn't be "hurting bad users" this is also a classic issue with PC gaming, people complain they can't run certain games and game developers just tell them to get better PC's. While I agree with moving adoption of newer browsers forward (get people off IE6) I find that unfortunately some people tend to mix the “public vs. private” adoption and use. Meaning that while the majority of “public” users may be on the latest and greatest, developers building applications still deal with the “private” users and have to accomodate them. We shouldn’t be “hurting bad users” this is also a classic issue with PC gaming, people complain they can’t run certain games and game developers just tell them to get better PC’s.

]]> By: skierpage http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40418 skierpage Wed, 25 Feb 2009 07:19:48 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40418 To get people off old crap browsers, deliver stuff that only uses the new good stuff. Interactive textbooks that require the canvas tag and fast JavaScript. Cool scalable graphics that are only shipped as SVG. Sites for remixing video and audio that use the new tags. And make sure the fallback HTML for all of them is "You are running a limited browser that doesn't support new web standards." Right now most of the web adapts to MSIE 6 and almost none of it requires the new HTML 5 features. So it doesn't hurt users to use bad browsers, it just causes web developers a lot of pain. *Start hurting dumb users instead!* "Get a decent browser that implements emerging standards" is very different from the old bad "This site optimized for Netscape /Internet Explorer 4". To get people off old crap browsers, deliver stuff that only uses the new good stuff. Interactive textbooks that require the canvas tag and fast JavaScript. Cool scalable graphics that are only shipped as SVG. Sites for remixing video and audio that use the new tags. And make sure the fallback HTML for all of them is “You are running a limited browser that doesn’t support new web standards.”

Right now most of the web adapts to MSIE 6 and almost none of it requires the new HTML 5 features. So it doesn’t hurt users to use bad browsers, it just causes web developers a lot of pain. *Start hurting dumb users instead!* “Get a decent browser that implements emerging standards” is very different from the old bad “This site optimized for Netscape /Internet Explorer 4″.

]]> By: Question http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40417 Question Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:48:15 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40417 I think you lost something important, isn't it? Such as: Video, HW accelerated gfx, Very fast DOM access I think you lost something important, isn’t it? Such as: Video, HW accelerated gfx, Very fast DOM access

]]> By: The Hater http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40416 The Hater Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:35:24 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40416 rolandog beat me to it, but I'll rephrase: we, the community, need to get people off old and/or crap browsers so we, the developers, can start using the kick ass tools becoming available in the good browsers. Until then, very little can realistically move past a proof of concept. rolandog beat me to it, but I’ll rephrase: we, the community, need to get people off old and/or crap browsers so we, the developers, can start using the kick ass tools becoming available in the good browsers. Until then, very little can realistically move past a proof of concept.

]]> By: rolandog http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40415 rolandog Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:47:52 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40415 Very interesting article. It's a shame that IE6 is still widely used, being that it's the equivalent of the Wright Brothers' plane and that there are several open-source Fokkers for free. Very interesting article. It’s a shame that IE6 is still widely used, being that it’s the equivalent of the Wright Brothers’ plane and that there are several open-source Fokkers for free.

]]> By: Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson http://almaer.com/blog/browsers-are-finally-catching-up-it-isnt-the-future-of-web-pages-is-it/comment-page-1#comment-40414 Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:15:40 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/?p=2267#comment-40414 Inspiring post. I just recently got back into web development after a long hiatus (and now following news from "the front"). I'm amazed at the stuff that's happening in this space right now. Very cool! Inspiring post. I just recently got back into web development after a long hiatus (and now following news from “the front”). I’m amazed at the stuff that’s happening in this space right now. Very cool!

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