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	<title>Comments on: Vote for me! The case for: set strictlines on</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40642</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding comment 20: No, don&#039;t remove trailing whitespace by default.  While you shouldn&#039;t have files with trailing whitespace in the first place, if you remove it by default you end up making whitespace-only changes in unrelated VCS commits, which you shouldn&#039;t do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding comment 20: No, don&#8217;t remove trailing whitespace by default.  While you shouldn&#8217;t have files with trailing whitespace in the first place, if you remove it by default you end up making whitespace-only changes in unrelated VCS commits, which you shouldn&#8217;t do.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kaiser</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40629</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 for strictlines on.

It&#039;s so helpful to get to the last &quot;real&quot; position in a line either with the back key or with clicking the mouse right of it, I found lots of useless trailing whitespace this way (before I used an editor that even marked trailing whitespace) and it&#039;s quite helpful when editing and you want to jump to the end of a line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for strictlines on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so helpful to get to the last &#8220;real&#8221; position in a line either with the back key or with clicking the mouse right of it, I found lots of useless trailing whitespace this way (before I used an editor that even marked trailing whitespace) and it&#8217;s quite helpful when editing and you want to jump to the end of a line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40618</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latter.  Strictlines on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latter.  Strictlines on.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40617</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, strictlines on !!!

and we could be even more strict: remove trailing whitespace on save by default !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, strictlines on !!!</p>
<p>and we could be even more strict: remove trailing whitespace on save by default !</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prince</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40615</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely strictlines on!

(Though I have to wonder if Ben has a blog entry somewhere, where all the comments say &quot;definitely strictlines off!&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely strictlines on!</p>
<p>(Though I have to wonder if Ben has a blog entry somewhere, where all the comments say &#8220;definitely strictlines off!&#8221; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Ian Thomas&#039;s comment made me think of another behavior Bespin should have with respect to lines and movement.  Say you have three lines like this:

1234567890

123

12345

You have your cursor at the end of the third line, after the 5.  You press up, so the cursor ends up at the end of the 3.  (For the record, it would bug me a lot if it ended up two spaces after the 3; I hadn&#039;t even thought of *that* problem with strictlines off.)  Now, you press up again.  Some editors would put you after the 3 in the first line.  Vim, on the other hand, will put you after the 5 in the first line, because it remembered your position in the line even if your cursor position remains to the left of that due to a short line.  However, if you moved up, left, up, you&#039;d end up after the 2 in the first line.  I find this behavior very intuitive when using up or down to move across many lines; without it, moving past an empty line will put your cursor at the beginning of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Ian Thomas&#8217;s comment made me think of another behavior Bespin should have with respect to lines and movement.  Say you have three lines like this:</p>
<p>1234567890</p>
<p>123</p>
<p>12345</p>
<p>You have your cursor at the end of the third line, after the 5.  You press up, so the cursor ends up at the end of the 3.  (For the record, it would bug me a lot if it ended up two spaces after the 3; I hadn&#8217;t even thought of *that* problem with strictlines off.)  Now, you press up again.  Some editors would put you after the 3 in the first line.  Vim, on the other hand, will put you after the 5 in the first line, because it remembered your position in the line even if your cursor position remains to the left of that due to a short line.  However, if you moved up, left, up, you&#8217;d end up after the 2 in the first line.  I find this behavior very intuitive when using up or down to move across many lines; without it, moving past an empty line will put your cursor at the beginning of the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thomas (thelem)</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40611</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Thomas (thelem)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I&#039;m in the minority here, and I use an editor that only supports strictlines (Zend Studio 5), but I vote for strictlines off in most cases.

If my cursor is in the middle of a line of text, and I press up to go to the blank line above it, then I want it to behave consistently. With strictlines on it would sometimes move to the left (no white space on the line) but sometimes it would stay in the same place.

I see strict lines a bit like the &#039;show non-printable characters&#039; option - most people aren&#039;t that bothered what the characters are, so they hide them to give a simplier / cleaner interface. Likewise, most of the time I don&#039;t care if there is trailing space or a line full of white space in a file, so why should it make my editor behave differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;m in the minority here, and I use an editor that only supports strictlines (Zend Studio 5), but I vote for strictlines off in most cases.</p>
<p>If my cursor is in the middle of a line of text, and I press up to go to the blank line above it, then I want it to behave consistently. With strictlines on it would sometimes move to the left (no white space on the line) but sometimes it would stay in the same place.</p>
<p>I see strict lines a bit like the &#8217;show non-printable characters&#8217; option &#8211; most people aren&#8217;t that bothered what the characters are, so they hide them to give a simplier / cleaner interface. Likewise, most of the time I don&#8217;t care if there is trailing space or a line full of white space in a file, so why should it make my editor behave differently?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon P. Hemsley</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40610</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon P. Hemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already voted on Twitter (strictlines on), but I&#039;d just like to point out that I&#039;ve already implemented tabs support in the latest version of Bespin. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s available on bespin.mozilla.com, but it has already been done. No more spaces where you don&#039;t want them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already voted on Twitter (strictlines on), but I&#8217;d just like to point out that I&#8217;ve already implemented tabs support in the latest version of Bespin. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s available on bespin.mozilla.com, but it has already been done. No more spaces where you don&#8217;t want them!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob (Buffone)</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40609</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob (Buffone)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 on</description>
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		<title>By: Blair McBride</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/vote-for-me-the-case-for-set-strictlines-on/comment-page-1#comment-40608</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair McBride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 set strictness on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 set strictness on</p>
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