Comments on: The new attack on the RDBMS http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms blogging about life, the universe, and everything tech Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:42:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: David Ingersoll http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms/comment-page-1#comment-46031 David Ingersoll Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:57:25 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms#comment-46031 ODB have not failed, but have carved out a very good niche. Being an optimist, I think there is a still a chance for it to become more mainstream. Versant is leading that charge, both with our Open Source offering, db4o, as well as our Core Object Database. By the way, Oracle is one of our customers, if ODB are so slow why do we get a check from them every 3 months. If you know anything about Computer Science, less code is always more efficient. Given the right model, an ODB is 10 to 20 times faster than Relational, SQL Server, MySQL, Oracle, DB/2, Sybase whatever. I know it has been awhile since the post, but I would be interested to start the thread again. ODB have not failed, but have carved out a very good niche. Being an optimist, I think there is a still a chance for it to become more mainstream. Versant is leading that charge, both with our Open Source offering, db4o, as well as our Core Object Database. By the way, Oracle is one of our customers, if ODB are so slow why do we get a check from them every 3 months. If you know anything about Computer Science, less code is always more efficient. Given the right model, an ODB is 10 to 20 times faster than Relational, SQL Server, MySQL, Oracle, DB/2, Sybase whatever. I know it has been awhile since the post, but I would be interested to start the thread again.

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]]> By: idcj http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms/comment-page-1#comment-40239 idcj Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:12:15 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms#comment-40239 What if the database is made so simple that you took it for granted and forget what model it is based on. Would still worry about objects/relations. I'm talking about worrying more about building that application and database is just a store, be it objects/relational, it just works. What if the database is made so simple that you took it for granted and forget what model it is based on. Would still worry about objects/relations. I’m talking about worrying more about building that application and database is just a store, be it objects/relational, it just works.

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]]> By: Jay Godse http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms/comment-page-1#comment-39296 Jay Godse Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:42:08 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/the-new-attack-on-the-rdbms#comment-39296 This is an interesting article. I especially liked the cartoon series that starts with Java on the client, JS on the server, turns back, and turns back again. I don't "get" this BigTable stuff. I appreciate that Google has built fantastic applications based on this database. However, I am a SQL and ER modelling guy, and I just don't understand all of this schema-less BigTable /SimpleDB stuff. I have a few big comprehension issues. How do these databases handle update anomalies for information models with some form of information duplication or redundancy? How do you do ad-hoc queries on a schema-less database? When filling in a row of a table, how do BigTable programmers handle information elements that cannot be null? WIthout schemas, how can you extract-transform-load (ETL) a BigTable database into a Business Intelligence multi-dimensional cube? How can you build an application driven by the structure of the information model (like Ruby/Rails) when there is no schema to drive the structure of the application? How are BigTable et al different from the old BerkelyDB (because they look the same to me)? I haven't seen any of these questions answered on the web. If you could write about where to find answers, or why the questions are not relevant, that would be great! Cheers, Jay This is an interesting article. I especially liked the cartoon series that starts with Java on the client, JS on the server, turns back, and turns back again.

I don’t “get” this BigTable stuff. I appreciate that Google has built fantastic applications based on this database. However, I am a SQL and ER modelling guy, and I just don’t understand all of this schema-less BigTable /SimpleDB stuff. I have a few big comprehension issues.

How do these databases handle update anomalies for information models with some form of information duplication or redundancy? How do you do ad-hoc queries on a schema-less database? When filling in a row of a table, how do BigTable programmers handle information elements that cannot be null? WIthout schemas, how can you extract-transform-load (ETL) a BigTable database into a Business Intelligence multi-dimensional cube? How can you build an application driven by the structure of the information model (like Ruby/Rails) when there is no schema to drive the structure of the application? How are BigTable et al different from the old BerkelyDB (because they look the same to me)?

I haven’t seen any of these questions answered on the web. If you could write about where to find answers, or why the questions are not relevant, that would be great!

Cheers, Jay

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