Comments on: Sun is bleeding; More engineers leave as JavaFX is pimped

By: abdulquadri

abdulquadri — Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:00:37 +0000

It’s alright for some one to have a different opinion. Any average programmer can learn all of JavaFx syntax in one day. I don’t like anything proprietary because I am freeeee. And Java Helps.

By: chitgoks

chitgoks — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:12:51 +0000

question for Jeff Dinkins

do you know by any chance if the WindowsFileChooserUI.java has been updated to add support for windows 2003 and windows vista (and possibly windows 7) ?

By: Fernando

Fernando — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:47:12 +0000

What a load of bull !!!

I for one am quite excited with JavaFX. and is more familiar to all hobbyist programmers like me whom started with BASIC programming on 8-bit computers or MS-DOS QBASIC – or VIsual Basic on Win9x, for that matter.

By: giesen

giesen — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:18:51 +0000

If I were to prescribe a remedy for Sun, give the high-quality Java web tech (Stripes, GWT, Echo, Wicket, Lazlo) more attention and official support. Also, I’d like to see more focus on practical data-centric projects like Pentaho (reporting + adhoc + dashboards + OLAP + data mining).

Alternate-language JVM stuff like JRuby, Jython, Scala, Groovy, etc are already getting all the attention, they don’t need more. The JRuby + RoR stuff is getting plenty of official support as well.

By: pavan

pavan — Mon, 19 May 2008 06:40:28 +0000

Chun u hit the bullseye ! , As developers we need rich components which are extensible and can be easily integrated into an application framework. Animation and effects can always be added as part of the look n feel. JIDE no doubt makes the best swing components on earth, although swing labs is good , they havent yet reached a 1.0 release which is frightening.
2 Things in my view could make swing awesome.
1: Rich Extensible components like JIDE(maybe purchase JIDE).
2: Integrating the netbeans platform into the standard JDK so that developers get a powerful platform to develop on.
IMHO the swing application framework was completely Uncessary given that netbeans platform already existed, effort could have instead been made to port swing application to use the power of the platform

By: Jin Chun

Jin Chun — Sun, 18 May 2008 02:38:29 +0000

Karsten, really respect you a lot, we used your stuff quite extensively for a while, until we went and paid for JIDE. Where I work, were very committed to Swing. In fact, we’ve spent the past 5 years writing frameworks to make non-swing developers productive with it. But boy, boy oh boy, is it hard in comparison to other tools in this space, eg Silverlight/WPF, Flex, Ext, etc, etc. Even when JavaFX is close to done, what is missing is the application framework that glues all of this together so you can bind an industrial strength grid with grouping/sorting/search/validation to a URL in one line of code and have that just work. You can do this, now, w/WPF and this is the kicker: w/controls you can buy for cheap from a dozen vendors! The barrier to entry is lower, and I’m afraid the ball has been dropped here. I don’t know Hans, I’m sure he’s wicked nice. But boy, if I were his boss, I would have fired him first for not getting the job done w/the Application framework. In fact, if I were his boss now, I’d stop the whining about resources (I’m sure its happening b/c who doesn’t have enough guns ;-), and just approach the JIDE guys and buy them, open source all the widgets and make a strategic plan to push them into the JDK at some point (and stop wasting time on swing labs and time a handful of people put in when they’re not stressed out from their day job), take their application framework too, and accelerate the damn thing, NOW!

For goodness sakes, why not even go a further and pick one of the vendors who integrate nicely w/the CLR and heavy weight controls, so that we can embed IE into a JPanel with really nice integration NOW! Webkit, ok, but let’s get this done sooner rather than later and help all of us poor Java schmucks in the corporate enterprise space ;-). BTW, I don’t mean the “let’s communicate over sockets to IE” foolishness either.

Better late than never, but now’s the time boys and girls to push harder while the window is wide enough to make mistakes here and there without getting our fingers hurt.

By: anthony rogers

anthony rogers — Fri, 16 May 2008 20:12:51 +0000

i’ve been playing with nimbus all day- its very cool all the scaleable gfx stuff, and swing is always a number one UI framework within java gfx. we are also looking at 3d, video and audio along with faster animation etc for javafx.

theres also loads of other cool things in the mix, java already has enterprise and networking rocking if you ask me. and you can mix java and javafx code so all that stuff if there to play with (you should see the mess i make) :)

there is some rocking stuff we feel javafx needs so we’re working on that- sun’s javafx, swing, mobile, media and and and teams rock, its a great times ahead :) stearing a big ship into the realms of design…

when it come to people leaving sun i don’t no much about that- seemed to always have nice words said about them. i just started along with some other cool new people. i met Hans he was a top dude, he’ll be missed.

By: Dmitri Trembovetski

Dmitri Trembovetski — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:00:54 +0000

Karsten, I agree that the relationship between JavaFX and JavaSE platforms (and thus the improvements and the future plans on the latter) should have been communicated better. Hopefully we’ll address this in the next few weeks.

Dmitri

By: Josh Marinacci

Josh Marinacci — Thu, 15 May 2008 19:57:49 +0000

Josh Marinacci from Sun here.

Parts of the original FAQ were a mistake and I sincerely apologize for the confusion it has caused. We have updated the FAQ to clarify that it will be open source and details will be forth coming. For a more succinct and official statement please see Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz’s blog where he says:

“JavaFX will, like all of Sun’s software platforms, be made freely available as open source, and it’ll be released via the GPL (v2) license.”

http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/rocking_the_free_world

Thanks,
Josh

PS. If you have any more questions please feel free to email me at joshua.marinacci@sun.com

By: Karsten Lentzsch

Karsten Lentzsch — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:22:16 +0000

Jeff, good to hear that you are at least there.

Dmitri, I appreciate the work that has been done under Swing’s hood in Java2D. A new look, plugin, and media support is not what my customers need. They just want to get UI values into their domain object properties, want to persist a domain object in a background thread and block the UI. They want to understand how this whole thing shall work together. The JSR 296 is meets well what is essential to their business, and for almost all of them data binding is too. Moving Hans from JSR 296 to JavaFX has almost stopped the appframework implementation.

I miss statements about Swing, which is where I had hoped to work for the next years or decade. Where’s Sun’s focus for the next years? What effort will be put into Swing? I’m worried that a word like “abandoned” appears when talking about Swing. (What happens if someone tells you “Don’t think about a pink elefant!”?)

Anyway, thanks for speaking up.