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	<title>Comments on: Revisiting why the Open Web matters; Gratuitous technology politics analogy</title>
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		<title>By: mikael bergkvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikael bergkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, much of the power is serverside, as Google itself demonstrates.
So, something that bothers me with this, is why it&#039;s so important to have a different model for creating apps on the client, than on the server?

Why not just use the javascript and DOM there as well, and then have stuff like associated accounts and user data pre-processed transparently so that the developer wont have to even think about it?

In accordance with this point of view, Aptana looks kinda cool.

Now, I understand that various developers want their particular language, like python or java or whatever, but the web parses it all as html + javascript anyway in the end, so at some point these developers will have to learn it and learn it good, or forever be &#039;hacks&#039; on the web.

Either we change the rules of the game in the browser to move ahead, or we change the rules of the game on the server to move ahead, and since all of the web is html, I&#039;m guessing that the server is the most likely part to yield.
And here I think javascript is unavoidable..

When we moved ahead with web 2.0, it was javascript that lead the way with Ajax.
Previously, before that, it was DHTML.
That in turn was made possible by CSS.
Every time the web has changed in any major, lasting, way, it&#039;s been closely intergrated with what came before it, be it css, xml, or xhtml.
I think that Chrome and V8 is along those lines too, continuously building on what came before.

I expect this to move forward along the same lines, because it has sofar.
The server world today doesn&#039;t fit, and thus my conclusion is that at some point this will have to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, much of the power is serverside, as Google itself demonstrates.<br />
So, something that bothers me with this, is why it&#8217;s so important to have a different model for creating apps on the client, than on the server?</p>
<p>Why not just use the javascript and DOM there as well, and then have stuff like associated accounts and user data pre-processed transparently so that the developer wont have to even think about it?</p>
<p>In accordance with this point of view, Aptana looks kinda cool.</p>
<p>Now, I understand that various developers want their particular language, like python or java or whatever, but the web parses it all as html + javascript anyway in the end, so at some point these developers will have to learn it and learn it good, or forever be &#8216;hacks&#8217; on the web.</p>
<p>Either we change the rules of the game in the browser to move ahead, or we change the rules of the game on the server to move ahead, and since all of the web is html, I&#8217;m guessing that the server is the most likely part to yield.<br />
And here I think javascript is unavoidable..</p>
<p>When we moved ahead with web 2.0, it was javascript that lead the way with Ajax.<br />
Previously, before that, it was DHTML.<br />
That in turn was made possible by CSS.<br />
Every time the web has changed in any major, lasting, way, it&#8217;s been closely intergrated with what came before it, be it css, xml, or xhtml.<br />
I think that Chrome and V8 is along those lines too, continuously building on what came before.</p>
<p>I expect this to move forward along the same lines, because it has sofar.<br />
The server world today doesn&#8217;t fit, and thus my conclusion is that at some point this will have to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mateo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this.
IMHO you just missed that the power outside the Web may corrupt it all, and the earth doesn&#039;t hold the pollution, etc... Dark Ages can begin again, and without Internet :-( ...
Just to balance :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.<br />
IMHO you just missed that the power outside the Web may corrupt it all, and the earth doesn&#8217;t hold the pollution, etc&#8230; Dark Ages can begin again, and without Internet :-( &#8230;<br />
Just to balance :-P</p>
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		<title>By: aLe</title>
		<link>http://almaer.com/blog/revisiting-why-the-open-web-matters-gratuitous-technology-politics-analogy/comment-page-1#comment-39557</link>
		<dc:creator>aLe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, nobody can stop the Open Web power, developer command not big company!
Free Web as Free Beer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, nobody can stop the Open Web power, developer command not big company!<br />
Free Web as Free Beer</p>
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