Comments on: Microsoft say Game On; Thoughts on PDC http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc blogging about life, the universe, and everything tech Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:42:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mevlüt şekeri http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-40044 mevlüt şekeri Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:10:20 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-40044 mevlüt şekeri mevlüt şekeri

]]> By: David Evans http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39844 David Evans Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:33:46 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39844 It can be helpful to view what companies are trying to do through a lens of what they have done, or it can be a hindrance if they really have changed. In this case, when I read this I hear Steve B screaming 'Developers, developers, developers' at me...and I wish he'd stop. MS are very good at making it easy for you to develop on their stuff, and they spend a lot of time in amongst their .NET community making sure they're happy (or at least, not too upset) and promoting what you can do with their stuff. First time I saw 'Evangelist' in a job title was at MS, although there may be prior art. Google have a long way to go to get embedded in software development (although Chrome, when it goes multi-platform, could be a good start). My point is that what people develop in is what people run is what people buy. In other words, same MS, different day. Or am I missing something...? It can be helpful to view what companies are trying to do through a lens of what they have done, or it can be a hindrance if they really have changed. In this case, when I read this I hear Steve B screaming ‘Developers, developers, developers’ at me…and I wish he’d stop. MS are very good at making it easy for you to develop on their stuff, and they spend a lot of time in amongst their .NET community making sure they’re happy (or at least, not too upset) and promoting what you can do with their stuff. First time I saw ‘Evangelist’ in a job title was at MS, although there may be prior art. Google have a long way to go to get embedded in software development (although Chrome, when it goes multi-platform, could be a good start). My point is that what people develop in is what people run is what people buy. In other words, same MS, different day.

Or am I missing something…?

]]> By: michael sheridan http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39829 michael sheridan Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:54:14 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39829 Handing control over to Microsoft rather than the inter-connected data mass about me that lives at google? Handing control over to Microsoft rather than the inter-connected data mass about me that lives at google?

]]> By: Shawn Oster http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39826 Shawn Oster Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:05:51 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39826 There is quite a bit of excitement over these technologies as people figure out just what and how and why they exist. I'm curious about your ending comments, like this one "Silverlight adoption worries me". Do you worry that it's not being adopted fast enough or too fast? I also agree that people should be cautious in handing over control to any one entity as echoed in your statement, "...handing Microsoft control of the browser...", whether that's all search to Google, all browser to Microsoft, all media to Apple, all RIA to Flash, all cloud to Amazon. It's a fine line because you often need one clear leader to help establish a playing field but not get so big they don't allow anyone else to kick the ball around. Plus over-controlling anything often leads to killing off innovation. (My comments are my own) There is quite a bit of excitement over these technologies as people figure out just what and how and why they exist. I’m curious about your ending comments, like this one “Silverlight adoption worries me”. Do you worry that it’s not being adopted fast enough or too fast?

I also agree that people should be cautious in handing over control to any one entity as echoed in your statement, “…handing Microsoft control of the browser…”, whether that’s all search to Google, all browser to Microsoft, all media to Apple, all RIA to Flash, all cloud to Amazon. It’s a fine line because you often need one clear leader to help establish a playing field but not get so big they don’t allow anyone else to kick the ball around. Plus over-controlling anything often leads to killing off innovation.

(My comments are my own)

]]> By: James Senior http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39821 James Senior Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:45:17 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39821 Great post, you identify some of the clear problems that Microsoft, and others, are trying to solve relating to Cloud Computing. It should be a fun game! :-) Cheers, James Great post, you identify some of the clear problems that Microsoft, and others, are trying to solve relating to Cloud Computing. It should be a fun game! :-)

Cheers, James

]]> By: Richard Osbaldeston http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39820 Richard Osbaldeston Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:47:42 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39820 ..On the other hand, having a schizophrenic kind of day thanks to another kick in the nuts from sun (http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=313969&#313969) I'm kind of interested in what we can do with Silverlight, WPF which seems to have a huge untapped potential. If a long term client side Java developer suddenly decided what should I do next? where are we headed? whats hot? The prospects don't seem all that appealing. Theres javascript and ajax, but my forays into javascript left me cold. It was like going back to the stone age in terms of running and debugging code and needing to know huge swathes of other frameworks, libraries and skills. Never mind the inherent incompatibilities between browsers, which must quietly haunt your every commit. Still while there's Ben & Dion there may be hope. Or they're Microsoft Silverlight, WPF, whole scary new world of Microsoft speak a seemingly impenetrable maze of technologies.. but hey if you ever got there at least I could later leverage my skill set. Other Java ex-pats seem drawn to Air, Flex, again whole new platform, possibly a less mature one but more manageable in term of size for it.. but part of me still finds flash hard to take seriously and it can't live on it's own, your utimatley going to need to mix in some of the server side ajax work from option 1 (or 2?). Guess what I'm hinting at is do we need any more options? we see new RIA frameworks every day, but we don't see any real use or takeup of any of them. It seems everybody is too nervous to place any bets. The whole scene is hopelessly divided with every camp playing catchup with each other, so no one technology can ever pull ahead.. wheres all this going? ..On the other hand, having a schizophrenic kind of day thanks to another kick in the nuts from sun (http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=313969&#313969) I’m kind of interested in what we can do with Silverlight, WPF which seems to have a huge untapped potential.

If a long term client side Java developer suddenly decided what should I do next? where are we headed? whats hot? The prospects don’t seem all that appealing. Theres javascript and ajax, but my forays into javascript left me cold. It was like going back to the stone age in terms of running and debugging code and needing to know huge swathes of other frameworks, libraries and skills. Never mind the inherent incompatibilities between browsers, which must quietly haunt your every commit. Still while there’s Ben & Dion there may be hope.

Or they’re Microsoft Silverlight, WPF, whole scary new world of Microsoft speak a seemingly impenetrable maze of technologies.. but hey if you ever got there at least I could later leverage my skill set.

Other Java ex-pats seem drawn to Air, Flex, again whole new platform, possibly a less mature one but more manageable in term of size for it.. but part of me still finds flash hard to take seriously and it can’t live on it’s own, your utimatley going to need to mix in some of the server side ajax work from option 1 (or 2?).

Guess what I’m hinting at is do we need any more options? we see new RIA frameworks every day, but we don’t see any real use or takeup of any of them. It seems everybody is too nervous to place any bets. The whole scene is hopelessly divided with every camp playing catchup with each other, so no one technology can ever pull ahead.. wheres all this going?

]]> By: Richard Osbaldeston http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39819 Richard Osbaldeston Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:28:08 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39819 Has anybody asked the users whether they want everything in the cloud and all their apps online? Part of really doesn't get the advantages of this kind of shift to the average user. From Microsofts side I can see once everybody is using the clouds web-services and applications they can start charging a subscription for the privilege. Isn't that the real agenda? monetizing the web for their own shareholders benefit not ours (damn now I'm sounding like Stallman). Can the net continue to support this shift? isn't it already pretty maxed out with streaming media, online gaming, voip etc.. or will it a move to paid for ip service levels also need phasing in at some point. Who can you trust with your data once it's all online? with all the spook accessing and archiving all your online activity and Australia even planning proxied (censored?) access to the web? What happens when your broadbands down or you move into a wireless blackspot? back to the abacus? Has anybody asked the users whether they want everything in the cloud and all their apps online? Part of really doesn’t get the advantages of this kind of shift to the average user. From Microsofts side I can see once everybody is using the clouds web-services and applications they can start charging a subscription for the privilege. Isn’t that the real agenda? monetizing the web for their own shareholders benefit not ours (damn now I’m sounding like Stallman).

Can the net continue to support this shift? isn’t it already pretty maxed out with streaming media, online gaming, voip etc.. or will it a move to paid for ip service levels also need phasing in at some point. Who can you trust with your data once it’s all online? with all the spook accessing and archiving all your online activity and Australia even planning proxied (censored?) access to the web? What happens when your broadbands down or you move into a wireless blackspot? back to the abacus?

]]> By: dion http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39817 dion Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:40:48 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39817 Java has great tools, but JavaFX? I think Sun made totally the wrong bet with it. They should have used an existing language on the JVM for JavaFX Script (JRuby, Groovy, Rhino, whatever.... just not another new language). Java has great tools, but JavaFX? I think Sun made totally the wrong bet with it. They should have used an existing language on the JVM for JavaFX Script (JRuby, Groovy, Rhino, whatever…. just not another new language).

]]> By: Diptanu http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39816 Diptanu Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:01:41 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39816 Do you think JavaFX, with all the vast toolset that Java technology has, would be a one-up to Silverlight? Do you think JavaFX, with all the vast toolset that Java technology has, would be a one-up to Silverlight?

]]> By: Peter Svensson http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc/comment-page-1#comment-39814 Peter Svensson Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:59:18 +0000 http://almaer.com/blog/microsoft-say-game-on-thoughts-on-pdc#comment-39814 I think that all organizations only get stronger if the eat their own dog food. Microsoft has so much dog food that they will get mighty strong one day. Not just today. Or any other day. Just some. Cheers, PS I think that all organizations only get stronger if the eat their own dog food. Microsoft has so much dog food that they will get mighty strong one day.

Not just today. Or any other day.

Just some.

Cheers,
PS

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